
We found ourselves pondering this question as we reviewed yet another newly listed Battery Park 1BR in the $400k range
Address: 2 South End Avenue (aka the Cove Club, one of our favorites) #4E
The digs: 623 sq ft 1BR, northern exposure. There are no pictures, but we can already see it's boxy layout and parquet floors.
The monthlies: given that it's Battery Park, we didn't even blink at the monthly carrying costs of over $1700
Based on our knowledge of the rental market in the area, we believe that we can rent an equivalent unit for $2200 per month. So, does it make sense to buy?
We started to try to answer this question by popping on over to Streeteasy, which as many people know, has a very cool feature for each listing showing a total monthly cost if you buy the apartment at a variety of prices. When we looked at #4E, with a 20% downpayment and a 5.8% mortgage rate, we were confronted with a total monthly payment of $3,756 or 71% more than what we would be paying if we simply rented the apartment. "But wait!" you say. "Isn't there a tax deduction in there somewhere?" Actually there are two. The first is the deduction on the mortgage interest. Using this handy-dandy calculator, we determined that for our loan amount of $340,000 (we put down $85,000) at a 5.8% interest rate over a 30 year term, we would be able to deduct $19,606 in the first year or $1634 per month
Of course, this analysis is unbelievably simplistic. It ignores important things such as what happens in later years (fewer deductions, more equity), transaction costs for buying and selling the property, renovation costs, the opportunity cost for the downpayment and appreciation in both rental and housing prices. Probably, we think, our all-in tax benefit is also a touch high. If you'd like to factor in these variables (and more), check out this very cool calculator courtesy of the New York Times, which lets you run scenarios galore based on probably every single variable that you could ever imagine impacting your decision, ever. Unlike our analysis, which focuses on Year 1 break-even, the NYT model looks at a 30-year horizon and tells you in which year you will first break-even based on the cumulative cost/benefit of renting vs. buying. When we typed in the stats for #4E (using the model's base assumptions for things like price appreciation), we learned (kind of surprisingly, even for us) that at the $425,000 price point, it's actually NEVER better to buy. Even after 30 years, you still don't break even. So what about our $200,000 price point? If you buy at that level, the NYT model tells us that you'll hit the break-even point after 5 years, which seems reasonable given the mantra that if you do not plan to stay in your home for 3-5 years, than buying will likely be more expensive than renting.
So what does all of this mean? Well, if you're a buyer and rent vs. buy is an analysis that makes sense to you, any way you look at it (unless you are anticipating another housing bubble), prices are still way too high. Of course, if we all made decisions based on economic models, we wouldn't have had a housing bubble, a dot-com boom or any of the countless psychology-driven economic events that we can all point to. This analysis should also serve to remind us of the unique economic variables impacting Battery Park (those darn common charges) which for whatever reason owners are willing to stomach but can't pass them on to renters, who just don't see as much value in the area.




12 comments:
Simplistic but it does make you think. Excellent article. Maybe you can do this for a 2 bedroom at one of the newer buildings in FiDi? (i.e. Beaver, District, etc.)
I could buy in NYC, but I've also decided to rent based on a similar analysis. It would be nice to finally own a place, but why should I pay a mortage for 50% or more what I could pay in rent? Just doesn't make any sense. So I'm planning to rent for another year or two, after which I wouldn't be surprised if NYC prices come down considerably and the prospect of buying might become a worthwhile consideration.
Hi Anon #1 - thanks! Yeah, we were thinking about doing something similar for FiDi - I'm very curious about how apartments with reasonable monthly costs would fare in this type of analysis. Although with those FiDi buildings, you have the tax unpredictability, which I've never really known how to handle. Stay tuned...
Hi Anon #2 - yeah, that's kind of what we're doing as well. To us, it's less about "look at how much the market has fallen" and much more about "how the heck did the market even get that high to begin with?", which makes the steep decline look not so steep after all.
As one editorial recently read in the WSJ, the largest benefit one actually extracts from purchasing (versus renting) is the right to live in the home. This, of course, assumes that the quality of homes available to buyers is higher than those available to renters - a situation that is probably true in most places. However, NYC can definitely be viewed as an exception to this rule with the overabundance of rental properties. I just don't see how anyone can rationalize the idea of buying a 1 ro 2 bedroom apartment in Manhattan right now instead of renting. People simply need to get past the romanticized notion that owning is better.
Hi Anon - yeah, we've been thinking quite a bit about that as well. In many housing markets, in order to live in a particular neighborhood or in a particular type of home (modern, renovated etc.), you have to buy, which is clearly not true in Manhattan, as you note.
One thing that we discussed over the weekend is the idea that many home buyers (even in NYC), never do any sort of buy vs. rent analysis. Initially we said "bollocks!, how stupid" but then we thought about our situation. After months of writing Downtowny and seeing dozens of apartments, we only just last week actually did one of these analyses ourselves...makes you wonder...
In the analysis, shouldn't you consider that part of the mortgage goes towards principle?
Hi Anon - thanks for commenting, that's a good question. So, yes. In the "simplistic" analysis comparing Year 1 costs of renting to Year 1 costs of buying, we're just looking at cash flows. This analysis ignores the benefits of equity in the home (e.g. the mortgage principal) and a bunch of other factors (including certain cash flows) such as transaction costs and downpayment opportunity cost. In that (simplistic) example, the monthly mortgage payment would be $1,995. If you were to subtract the interest payment of $1634, you would be earning $361 in equity per month (roughly) in the first year. So the principal payment is in that piece of the analysis, however it is not a FACTOR in the buy vs. rent decision.
In the second (NYT) analysis however, the principal payment (which is the same as in the first analysis) IS a factor since the equity that you build in your home is factored in to the cumulative cost/benefit of buying. So if at year 30, you have say $500,000 of equity (principal payments) in your home, that amount is subtracted from the cumulative cost of buying, so you see the benefit in that manner.
Thanks for the response. Love your blog!
I actually had my offer accepted on a nice place on the UES (if there is such a thing) for $420k, but bailed because I did a further analysis and couldn't get the numbers to work. Another huge factor that many home buyers don't consider are:
1) The cost of *moving* (including new furniture, painting, renovation, etc.)
2) The sales cost of ~6% in broker's fees.
Show me where that is on any of those spreadsheets. I'll stay put in my rental and buy land up state, thank you.
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